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Title: DOJ scoffs at Texas ‘invasion’ defense, says buoys violate Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo
Source: Dallas Morning News
Link: dallasnews DOT com/news/politics/2023/08/17/doj-scoffs-at-texas-invasion-defense-says-buoys-violate-treaty-of-guadalupe-hidalgo/

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WASHINGTON — The Justice Department scoffed Thursday at Texas’ assertion it’s free to install anti-migrant buoys in the Rio Grande, regardless of treaties and federal law, because “Texas purportedly is being ‘invaded’” by migrants.

“Whether and when an `invasion’ occurs is a matter of foreign policy and national defense, which the Constitution specifically commits to the federal government,” the Justice Department argued.

[…]

Even if Texas is within its rights to secure its borders, “immigration is not the kind of `invasion’ contemplated by the Self-Defense Clause” of the Constitution, DOJ told the court.

The Supreme Court hasn’t directly addressed whether illegal immigration and drug smuggling can trigger a state’s emergency invasion powers.

But lower courts have shot down claims similar to Texas’.

The Justice Department dusted off an appellate ruling from 1996, rejecting a claim that New York state was suffering an immigrant “invasion.”

No, that court said.

An invasion is “armed hostility from another political entity, such as another state or foreign country that is intending to overthrow the state’s government.”

[…]

“We want to relitigate the Arizona vs. the United States case so that we can get a new precedent,” Abbott said on Fox News Radio, “to make clear that … states have the full authority to protect the sovereignty of the United States by denying illegal entry into our country.”

As the Justice Department sees it, that’s “a sweeping claim that States may ignore the will of Congress whenever their Governors unilaterally declare an `invasion.’”


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Wosbald wrote: 17 Aug 2023, 16:51 Title: DOJ scoffs at Texas
Everybody saw that coming.....


Migrants and asylum seekers can still enter at Biden's legally recognized "points of entry." This way, we know who they are and we can provide urgent care that they need. Also cuts inhibits child trafficking and fentanyl smuggling.

What is the moral objection here?
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Hilary, what'll be left of her, is predicted to drop a lot of rain----a year's worth---in the desert Southwest. Las Vegas is in the "cone."
You don't see the homeless in Las Vegas although they are a sizeable population.
They live underground in an enormous network of drainage tunnels and cisterns designed to collect and direct all the rainwater that would otherwise flood paved Las Vegas.
This can't be a good thing.
Here's the poop:
https://www.deseret.com/2021/9/24/22689 ... -vautrinot
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Proof that France doesn't like children. I humbly submit:
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/pa ... d9e9&ei=90
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Hovannes wrote: 19 Aug 2023, 14:22 Proof that France doesn't like children. I humbly submit:
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/pa ... d9e9&ei=90
In my experience, ponies enjoy giving rides to human children. There's an exchange of affection among the species.

So what now? Send the French ponies to the glue factory?
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Del wrote: 20 Aug 2023, 10:53
Hovannes wrote: 19 Aug 2023, 14:22 Proof that France doesn't like children. I humbly submit:
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/pa ... d9e9&ei=90
In my experience, ponies enjoy giving rides to human children. There's an exchange of affection among the species.

So what now? Send the French ponies to the glue factory?
They do eat horse meat over there. Just sayin'
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Hovannes wrote: 20 Aug 2023, 11:02
Del wrote: 20 Aug 2023, 10:53
Hovannes wrote: 19 Aug 2023, 14:22 Proof that France doesn't like children. I humbly submit:
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/pa ... d9e9&ei=90
In my experience, ponies enjoy giving rides to human children. There's an exchange of affection among the species.

So what now? Send the French ponies to the glue factory?
They do eat horse meat over there. Just sayin'
Dang. Now I'm hungry.
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coco wrote: 20 Aug 2023, 17:42
Hovannes wrote: 20 Aug 2023, 11:02
Del wrote: 20 Aug 2023, 10:53

In my experience, ponies enjoy giving rides to human children. There's an exchange of affection among the species.

So what now? Send the French ponies to the glue factory?
They do eat horse meat over there. Just sayin'
Dang. Now I'm hungry.
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Del wrote: 18 Aug 2023, 09:27
Wosbald wrote: 17 Aug 2023, 16:51 Title: DOJ scoffs at Texas
Everybody saw that coming.....


Migrants and asylum seekers can still enter at Biden's legally recognized "points of entry." This way, we know who they are and we can provide urgent care that they need. Also cuts inhibits child trafficking and fentanyl smuggling.

What is the moral objection here?
I'd think it depends on whether the "moral objection" is to (1) Texas' buoys or (2) your narrative.
  1. If you mean a moral objection to Gov. Abbott's buoys, then I would think it depends on if the barrier devices are purposed, not simply to discourage Migrants from making a dangerous crossing, but to make an already dangerous crossing that-much-more dangerous.
    • Again, the purpose (or rather, a purpose) of border barriers is to help a host Nation fulfill its duties to Migrants, not to arrange things so that opportunities for serving the needs of the Migrant (i.e. migrant encounters) become ever-more-vanishingly unlikely.
  2. If you're talking about a moral objection to the narrative of legal immigration which you present in your thread, then there either is — or is not — an objection, depending upon how one gives answer regarding what you omitted from your narrative. Which is to say, "What is the policy towards illegal immigrants?"
    • HINT: If the answer is anything other than that we recognize their Right to Migrate by affording them Due Process before any potential deportation, then yeah, there's a "moral objection here".
It's really just that simple.

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Wosbald wrote: 21 Aug 2023, 10:35 It's really just that simple.

:happy-smileygiantred:
You probably have a point here, but your writing style makes is very difficult to comprehend. I used to read government regulations for a living, so I can unwind incomprehensible prose. But you are over my head.

You know my thoughts on migration and asylum: Biden should set up a process that can be accomplished at the US embassy in the migrant's home nation. An airplane ticket is so much safer and much less expensive than what the cartels charge for passage trekking through their territories.

Biden's policies are an assault on human dignity and fail to respect anyone's "right to migrate."

Because of the chaos and crime created by Biden's undefended border, Texas has installed border barriers. These do not exist to impede anyone's "right to migrate." They exist as an attempt to keep the people residing in this country safe. Ports of entry exist so we can know who is here, sorting out drug smugglers, violent criminals fleeing justice, terrorists, and child traffickers.

We must not allow a principle of unregulated "right to migrate" to become an excuse to avoid our natural duty to keep our communities safe from crime and drugs and child trafficking.

Single-minded focus on one principle is madness. Or perhaps autism, in an individual. But as a political policy, it is willful evil. We have to balance our charitable immigration policy while minding our duty to keep our communities safe.

Biden's open border is bad for American residents and especially bad for the migrants. Only the lawless cartels benefit.

We need Trump's policy of "a big, beautiful wall with a big, wide door."
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