Home stretch. Less than 20 days to Election Day.
Kamala faced her first "hostile" interview last night, with Brett Baier on FOX.
Leftwing apologists say that Kamala dominated the rude reporter who kept trying to interrupt her.
Rightwing opinion is that Kamala still won't give a straight answer to a question, does not handle pressure well, and has no plan for domestic and foreign concerns and threats.
Kamala gets very testy after she gives her wordy response and the reporter then asks, "Well, your critics assert thus. How do you answer them?"
In any case, Kamala's handlers cut the interview short.
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Trump is pulling ahead in the polls, slowly but strongly. Possible landslide in the swing states, if this continues.
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Risk of turmoil ahead. It could be days after the election before some states are counted. Time for rumors of shenanigans to abound. It could be a rough ride.
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The stock market appears to have priced in for a Trump win.
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Recognize any of these talking points?
45 Communist Goals from 58 Years Ago - Ethan Allen Institute
https://www.ethanallen.org/45_communist ... 23c261f8e7
The Ethan Allen Institute is Vermont’s free-market public policy research and education organization. A “think tank.”
It gets worse.
Be sure to click on the link for all 45 goals at the bottom of the page.
45 Communist Goals from 58 Years Ago - Ethan Allen Institute
https://www.ethanallen.org/45_communist ... 23c261f8e7
The Ethan Allen Institute is Vermont’s free-market public policy research and education organization. A “think tank.”
It gets worse.
Be sure to click on the link for all 45 goals at the bottom of the page.
"Prov'dence don't fire no blank ca'tridges, boys."
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+JMJ+
Secondly, let's examine a few of these 45 ostensibly Communist Goals to see how many could be fairly attributed to MAGA.
My 2¢
Firstly, the kairos threat-of-the-moment is Fascism, not Communism.Hovannes wrote: 20 Oct 2024, 18:50 Recognize any of these talking points?
"45 Communist Goals from 58 Years Ago" - Ethan Allen Institute
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Secondly, let's examine a few of these 45 ostensibly Communist Goals to see how many could be fairly attributed to MAGA.
- 1. Capture one or both of the political parties in the United States. MAGA
- 2. Get control of the schools and teachers’ associations. Soften the curriculum. MAGA
- 3. Gain control of all student newspapers. MAGA
- 4. Infiltrate the press. MAGA
- 5. Gain control of key positions in radio, TV and pictures. MAGA
- 9. Infiltrate the churches and replace revealed religion with “social” religion. MAGA
- 13. Belittle American culture and discourage the teaching of American history. MAGA
- 14. Discredit and eventually dismantle the FBI. MAGA
- 15. Infiltrate and gain control of big business and unions. MAGA
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The "definition" or "understanding" of Communism and Fascism have changed a great deal since 1963.Wosbald wrote: 21 Oct 2024, 12:08 +JMJ+
Firstly, the kairos threat-of-the-moment is Fascism, not Communism.
They are pretty much the same thing now, because the present totalitarian enthusiasm does not demand government ownership of private property. The elitist totalitarian dictators are content to control the corporations and our individual lives without owning us.
So let's just call it fascism, as the modern Left is more like early Hitler and Mussolini than like Stalin.
- Control of ALL the levers of power: news media, entertainment media, social media, education (both public schools and universities), labor unions, regulatory agencies, all branches of government, and the dominant political party.
- Imposition of a cult ideology, with legal and social enforcement of that ideology
- Allow terror, riots, and other mayhem that support the fascist regime; brutal enforcement against any protests and actions against the regime.
- Label anyone who opposes their ideology as racist, bigot, deplorable, fascist... or whatever sticks. Establish social credit scores.
Anyhow, Americans are fed up with this progressive oppression. We are rising up -- peacefully! -- and taking back our culture. The movement is properly called populism. And it's a beautiful thing.
When the neo-fascists control the White House, the Congress, and the news media -- it is ABSURD to claim that MAGA populists are suddenly "fascists" for desiring to wrest control away from the fascists and back to ourselves.
MAGA is a lot like Gandalf in LOTR when he said, "In the scales of his malice, Sauron believes that we want to throw him down and put someone else in his place. That we mean to throw him down and put no one in his place has not entered his mind."
MAGA doesn't want to impose an ideology. We want to set people free to pursue their own potential.
In order to thrive, families need good schools, safe neighborhoods, plentiful jobs, and affordable living. These are our goals.
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OK, here's the whole enchilada:
It was Jan. 10, 1963, that Congressman Albert S. Herlong. Jr. from Florida read the list of 45 Communist goals for America into the Congressional Record. The purpose of him reading this was to gain insight into liberal elite ideas and strategies for America that sound awfully familiar today.
1. U.S. should accept coexistence as the only alternative to atomic war.
2. U.S. should be willing to capitulate in preference to engaging in atomic war.
These encapsulate the Kennan Doctrine, which advocated for the "containment" of communism. Establishment figures supporting the amoral containment policy at least implicitly worked with the communists in scaring the wits out of the American people concerning atomic war.
President Ronald Reagan undid the doctrine when he took an aggressive stand against the Evil Empire by backing freedom fighters from around the world that were struggling against the left-wing communist jackboot. As a result, the Soviet Union and its satellites imploded, a considerable and unexpected setback to the international communist edifice.
3. Develop the illusion that total disarmament by the U.S. would be a demonstration of "moral strength."
The nuclear freeze advocates supported a freeze on
4. Permit free trade between all nations regardless of Communist affiliation and regardless of whether or not items could be used for war.
Today, there are calls to end the embargo on the slave island of Cuba, there were complaints about the embargo against Iraq, and the U.S., not Saddam Hussein, was blamed for the suffering of the Iraqi people. Would they have advocated for free trade with Hitler and his National Socialist regime?
5. Extend long-term loans to Russia and Soviet satellites.
6. Provide American aid to all nations regardless of Communist domination.
Such aid and trade over decades contributed greatly to the left-wing communist liquidation of over 100 million people worldwide, according to the well-documented "Black Book of Communism."
This aid and trade marks a shameful chapter in American history. Without the aid and trade, the left-wing international communist behemoth would have imploded on its own rot a lot sooner and umpteen millions would have been saved from poverty, misery, starvation and death.
7. Grant recognition of Red China and admission of Red China to the U.N.
Not only did President Jimmy Carter fulfill this goal but he also betrayed America’s allies in Nicaragua, El Salvador, Iran, Afghanistan, Angola and elsewhere.
8. Set up East and West Germany as separate states in spite of Khrushchev's promise in 1955 to settle the Germany question by free elections under supervision of the U.N.
9. Prolong the conferences to ban atomic tests because the U.S. has agreed to suspend tests as long as negotiations are in progress.
10. Allow all Soviet satellites individual representation in the U.N.
11. Promote the U.N. as the only hope for mankind. If its charter is rewritten, demand that it be set up as a one-world government with its own independent armed forces.
There are still American intellectuals, and elected members of Congress, who dream of an eventual one world government and who view the U.N., founded by communists such as Alger Hiss, the first secretary-general, as the instrument to bring this about.
World government was also the dream of Adolf Hitler and J.V. Stalin. World government was the dream of Osama bin Laden and the 9/11 hijackers.
12. Resist any attempt to outlaw the Communist Party.
13. Do away with loyalty oaths.
14. Continue giving Russia access to the U.S. Patent Office.
While the idea of banning any political party runs contrary to notions of American freedom and liberty, notions that are the exact opposite of those held by the left-wing communists themselves, nevertheless these goals sought to undermine the constitutional obligation of Congress to investigate subversion. The weakening of our government’s ability to conduct such investigations led to the attack of 9/11.
It is entirely proper and appropriate for our government to expect employees, paid by the American taxpayer, to take an oath of loyalty.
15. Capture one or both of the political parties in the U.S.
In his book "Reagan’s War," Peter Schweizer demonstrates the astonishing degree to which communists and communist sympathizers have penetrated the Democratic Party. In his book, Schweizer writes about the presidential election of 1979.
16. Use technical decisions of the courts to weaken basic American institutions, by claiming their activities violate civil rights.
This strategy goes back to the founding of the American Civil Liberties Union by Fabian Socialists Roger Baldwin and John Dewey and Communists William Z. Foster and Elizabeth Gurley Flynn among others.
17. Get control of the schools. Use them as transmission belts for Socialism and current Communist propaganda. Soften the curriculum. Get control of teachers associations. Put the party line in textbooks.
18. Gain control of all student newspapers.
19. Use student riots to foment public protests against programs or organizations that are under Communist attack.
The success of these goals, from a communist perspective, is obvious. Is there any doubt this is so?
20. Infiltrate the press. Get control of book review assignments, editorial writing, policy-making positions.
21. Gain control of key positions in radio, TV & motion pictures.
22. Continue discrediting American culture by degrading all form of artistic expression. An American Communist cell was told to "eliminate all good sculpture from parks and buildings," substituting shapeless, awkward and meaningless forms.
23. Control art critics and directors of art museums. " Our plan is to promote ugliness, repulsive, meaningless art."
24.Eliminate all laws governing obscenity by calling them "censorship" and a violation of free speech and free press.
25. Break down cultural standards of morality by promoting pornography and obscenity in books, magazines, motion pictures, radio and TV.
26. Present homosexuality, degeneracy and promiscuity as "normal, natural and healthy."
This is the Gramscian agenda of the "long march through the institutions" spelled out explicitly: gradual takeover of the "means of communication" and then using those vehicles to debauch the culture and weaken the will of the individual to resist.
Today those few who still have the courage to advocate public morality are denounced and viciously attacked. Most Americans are entirely unwitting regarding the motives behind this agenda.
27. Infiltrate the churches and replace revealed religion with "social" religion. Discredit the Bible and emphasize the need for intellectual maturity, which does not need a "religious crutch."
This has been largely accomplished through the communist infiltration of the National Council of Churches, Conservative and Reform Judaism, and the Catholic seminaries.
28. Eliminate prayer or any phase of religious expression in the schools on the grounds that it violates the principle of "separation of church and state"
Replacing belief in the creator with belief in the earthly man-controlled State.
29. Discredit the American Constitution by calling it inadequate, old fashioned, out of step with modern needs, a hindrance to cooperation between nations on a worldwide basis.
And replace our nation of "laws, not men" with royal decree emanating from appointed judges and executive orders. Replace elected officials with bureaucrats.
30. Discredit the American founding fathers. Present them as selfish aristocrats who had no concern for the "common man."
31. Belittle all forms of American culture and discourage the teaching of American history on the ground that it was only a minor part of "the big picture." Give more emphasis to Russian history since the Communists took over.
Obliterating the American past, with its antecedents in principles of freedom, liberty and private ownership is a major goal of the communists then and now.
32. Support any socialist movement to give centralized control over any part of the culture – education, social agencies, welfare programs, mental health clinics, etc.
Public ownership of the means of production, the core principle of totalitarianism.
33. Eliminate all laws or procedures which interfere with the operation of the Communist apparatus.
34. Eliminate the House Committee on Un-American Activities.
35. Discredit and eventually dismantle the FBI.
36. Infiltrate and gain control of more unions.
37. Infiltrate and gain control of big business.
Turn America into a socialist police state.
38. Transfer some of the powers of arrest from the police to social agencies. Treat all behavioral problems as psychiatric disorders which no one but psychiatrists can understand or treat.
The Soviets used to send "social misfits" and those deemed politically incorrect to massive mental institutions called gulags. The Red Chinese call them
39. Dominate the psychiatric profession and use mental health laws as a means of gaining coercive control over those who oppose communist goals.
Psychiatry remains a bulwark of the communist agenda of fostering self-criticism and docility.
40. Discredit the family as an institution. Encourage promiscuity and easy divorce.
Done! The sovereign family is the single most powerful obstacle to authoritarian control.
41. Emphasize the need to raise children away from the negative influence of parents. Attribute prejudices, mental blocks and retarding of children to suppressive influence of parents.
Outcome-based education, values clarification or whatever they’re calling it this year.
42. Create the impression that violence and insurrection are legitimate aspects of the American tradition; that students and special interest groups should rise up and make a "united force" to solve economic, political or social problems.
This describes the dialectical fostering of group consciousness and conflict, which furthers the interests of authoritarianism.
43. Overthrow all colonial governments before native populations are ready for self-government.
The results of this successful campaign are increasingly obvious in the world today.
44. Internationalize the Panama Canal.
45. Repeal the Connally Reservation so the U.S. cannot prevent the World Court from seizing jurisdiction over domestic problems. Give the World Court jurisdiction over domestic problems. Give the World Court jurisdiction over nations and individuals alike.
Lots of material to discuss here!.
It was Jan. 10, 1963, that Congressman Albert S. Herlong. Jr. from Florida read the list of 45 Communist goals for America into the Congressional Record. The purpose of him reading this was to gain insight into liberal elite ideas and strategies for America that sound awfully familiar today.
1. U.S. should accept coexistence as the only alternative to atomic war.
2. U.S. should be willing to capitulate in preference to engaging in atomic war.
These encapsulate the Kennan Doctrine, which advocated for the "containment" of communism. Establishment figures supporting the amoral containment policy at least implicitly worked with the communists in scaring the wits out of the American people concerning atomic war.
President Ronald Reagan undid the doctrine when he took an aggressive stand against the Evil Empire by backing freedom fighters from around the world that were struggling against the left-wing communist jackboot. As a result, the Soviet Union and its satellites imploded, a considerable and unexpected setback to the international communist edifice.
3. Develop the illusion that total disarmament by the U.S. would be a demonstration of "moral strength."
The nuclear freeze advocates supported a freeze on
4. Permit free trade between all nations regardless of Communist affiliation and regardless of whether or not items could be used for war.
Today, there are calls to end the embargo on the slave island of Cuba, there were complaints about the embargo against Iraq, and the U.S., not Saddam Hussein, was blamed for the suffering of the Iraqi people. Would they have advocated for free trade with Hitler and his National Socialist regime?
5. Extend long-term loans to Russia and Soviet satellites.
6. Provide American aid to all nations regardless of Communist domination.
Such aid and trade over decades contributed greatly to the left-wing communist liquidation of over 100 million people worldwide, according to the well-documented "Black Book of Communism."
This aid and trade marks a shameful chapter in American history. Without the aid and trade, the left-wing international communist behemoth would have imploded on its own rot a lot sooner and umpteen millions would have been saved from poverty, misery, starvation and death.
7. Grant recognition of Red China and admission of Red China to the U.N.
Not only did President Jimmy Carter fulfill this goal but he also betrayed America’s allies in Nicaragua, El Salvador, Iran, Afghanistan, Angola and elsewhere.
8. Set up East and West Germany as separate states in spite of Khrushchev's promise in 1955 to settle the Germany question by free elections under supervision of the U.N.
9. Prolong the conferences to ban atomic tests because the U.S. has agreed to suspend tests as long as negotiations are in progress.
10. Allow all Soviet satellites individual representation in the U.N.
11. Promote the U.N. as the only hope for mankind. If its charter is rewritten, demand that it be set up as a one-world government with its own independent armed forces.
There are still American intellectuals, and elected members of Congress, who dream of an eventual one world government and who view the U.N., founded by communists such as Alger Hiss, the first secretary-general, as the instrument to bring this about.
World government was also the dream of Adolf Hitler and J.V. Stalin. World government was the dream of Osama bin Laden and the 9/11 hijackers.
12. Resist any attempt to outlaw the Communist Party.
13. Do away with loyalty oaths.
14. Continue giving Russia access to the U.S. Patent Office.
While the idea of banning any political party runs contrary to notions of American freedom and liberty, notions that are the exact opposite of those held by the left-wing communists themselves, nevertheless these goals sought to undermine the constitutional obligation of Congress to investigate subversion. The weakening of our government’s ability to conduct such investigations led to the attack of 9/11.
It is entirely proper and appropriate for our government to expect employees, paid by the American taxpayer, to take an oath of loyalty.
15. Capture one or both of the political parties in the U.S.
In his book "Reagan’s War," Peter Schweizer demonstrates the astonishing degree to which communists and communist sympathizers have penetrated the Democratic Party. In his book, Schweizer writes about the presidential election of 1979.
16. Use technical decisions of the courts to weaken basic American institutions, by claiming their activities violate civil rights.
This strategy goes back to the founding of the American Civil Liberties Union by Fabian Socialists Roger Baldwin and John Dewey and Communists William Z. Foster and Elizabeth Gurley Flynn among others.
17. Get control of the schools. Use them as transmission belts for Socialism and current Communist propaganda. Soften the curriculum. Get control of teachers associations. Put the party line in textbooks.
18. Gain control of all student newspapers.
19. Use student riots to foment public protests against programs or organizations that are under Communist attack.
The success of these goals, from a communist perspective, is obvious. Is there any doubt this is so?
20. Infiltrate the press. Get control of book review assignments, editorial writing, policy-making positions.
21. Gain control of key positions in radio, TV & motion pictures.
22. Continue discrediting American culture by degrading all form of artistic expression. An American Communist cell was told to "eliminate all good sculpture from parks and buildings," substituting shapeless, awkward and meaningless forms.
23. Control art critics and directors of art museums. " Our plan is to promote ugliness, repulsive, meaningless art."
24.Eliminate all laws governing obscenity by calling them "censorship" and a violation of free speech and free press.
25. Break down cultural standards of morality by promoting pornography and obscenity in books, magazines, motion pictures, radio and TV.
26. Present homosexuality, degeneracy and promiscuity as "normal, natural and healthy."
This is the Gramscian agenda of the "long march through the institutions" spelled out explicitly: gradual takeover of the "means of communication" and then using those vehicles to debauch the culture and weaken the will of the individual to resist.
Today those few who still have the courage to advocate public morality are denounced and viciously attacked. Most Americans are entirely unwitting regarding the motives behind this agenda.
27. Infiltrate the churches and replace revealed religion with "social" religion. Discredit the Bible and emphasize the need for intellectual maturity, which does not need a "religious crutch."
This has been largely accomplished through the communist infiltration of the National Council of Churches, Conservative and Reform Judaism, and the Catholic seminaries.
28. Eliminate prayer or any phase of religious expression in the schools on the grounds that it violates the principle of "separation of church and state"
Replacing belief in the creator with belief in the earthly man-controlled State.
29. Discredit the American Constitution by calling it inadequate, old fashioned, out of step with modern needs, a hindrance to cooperation between nations on a worldwide basis.
And replace our nation of "laws, not men" with royal decree emanating from appointed judges and executive orders. Replace elected officials with bureaucrats.
30. Discredit the American founding fathers. Present them as selfish aristocrats who had no concern for the "common man."
31. Belittle all forms of American culture and discourage the teaching of American history on the ground that it was only a minor part of "the big picture." Give more emphasis to Russian history since the Communists took over.
Obliterating the American past, with its antecedents in principles of freedom, liberty and private ownership is a major goal of the communists then and now.
32. Support any socialist movement to give centralized control over any part of the culture – education, social agencies, welfare programs, mental health clinics, etc.
Public ownership of the means of production, the core principle of totalitarianism.
33. Eliminate all laws or procedures which interfere with the operation of the Communist apparatus.
34. Eliminate the House Committee on Un-American Activities.
35. Discredit and eventually dismantle the FBI.
36. Infiltrate and gain control of more unions.
37. Infiltrate and gain control of big business.
Turn America into a socialist police state.
38. Transfer some of the powers of arrest from the police to social agencies. Treat all behavioral problems as psychiatric disorders which no one but psychiatrists can understand or treat.
The Soviets used to send "social misfits" and those deemed politically incorrect to massive mental institutions called gulags. The Red Chinese call them
39. Dominate the psychiatric profession and use mental health laws as a means of gaining coercive control over those who oppose communist goals.
Psychiatry remains a bulwark of the communist agenda of fostering self-criticism and docility.
40. Discredit the family as an institution. Encourage promiscuity and easy divorce.
Done! The sovereign family is the single most powerful obstacle to authoritarian control.
41. Emphasize the need to raise children away from the negative influence of parents. Attribute prejudices, mental blocks and retarding of children to suppressive influence of parents.
Outcome-based education, values clarification or whatever they’re calling it this year.
42. Create the impression that violence and insurrection are legitimate aspects of the American tradition; that students and special interest groups should rise up and make a "united force" to solve economic, political or social problems.
This describes the dialectical fostering of group consciousness and conflict, which furthers the interests of authoritarianism.
43. Overthrow all colonial governments before native populations are ready for self-government.
The results of this successful campaign are increasingly obvious in the world today.
44. Internationalize the Panama Canal.
45. Repeal the Connally Reservation so the U.S. cannot prevent the World Court from seizing jurisdiction over domestic problems. Give the World Court jurisdiction over domestic problems. Give the World Court jurisdiction over nations and individuals alike.
Lots of material to discuss here!.
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These seem quite the opposite of MAGA, no?Wosbald wrote: 21 Oct 2024, 12:08 +JMJ+
Firstly, the kairos threat-of-the-moment is Fascism, not Communism.Hovannes wrote: 20 Oct 2024, 18:50 Recognize any of these talking points?
"45 Communist Goals from 58 Years Ago" - Ethan Allen Institute
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Secondly, let's examine a few of these 45 ostensibly Communist Goals to see how many could be fairly attributed to MAGA.
Like Black Rock?
- 1. Capture one or both of the political parties in the United States. MAGA Just like in California?
- 2. Get control of the schools and teachers’ associations. Soften the curriculum. MAGA Just like the Teacher's Unions?
- 3. Gain control of all student newspapers. MAGA Just like Hamas sympathizers?
- 4. Infiltrate the press. MAGA Just like The New York Times and Washington Post?
- 5. Gain control of key positions in radio, TV and pictures. MAGA Just like the FCC allowing George Soros buy up media conglomerates?
- 9. Infiltrate the churches and replace revealed religion with “social” religion. MAGA Just like Pastors imprisoned for preaching on Romans 1?
- 13. Belittle American culture and discourage the teaching of American history. MAGA Like all the Internet content espousing the niceness of living in socialist countries?
- 14. Discredit and eventually dismantle the FBI. MAGALike politically weaponizing the FBI?
- 15. Infiltrate and gain control of big business and unions. MAGA
More items on the list could undoubtedly be pinned on MAGA given some lengthy analysis and qualification, but these stick easily and without much (reasonable) objection. (No doubt, many items could also be attributed to Left-Fascism in America, of which Kamala may well be one avatar.)
My 2¢
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It's quite an exercise, trying to determine whether the current American Left is more like Communism, or Fascism, or some new sort of tyranny.
It is important to remember that in the 1930's and 40's:
Fascism/Right meant socialist tyranny + nationalism
Communism/Left meant socialist tyranny + globalism
And in most of the free world, there was a grand, populist Center that didn't want socialist tyranny of either sort.
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Fast-forward to modern America: That grand, populist Center is the "Right." No resemblance to fascism at all.
There are a few flakes called "Alt-Right." They are not welcome in MAGA company.
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+JMJ+
The question is whether the shoe can fit MAGA (not because MAGA is Communistically-themed Fascism but is, rather, Capitalistically-themed Fascism), and not whether the shoe can also fit — or be shoehorned onto — other feet.
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I see it as more of a Liberty vs Tyranny issue. How does school choice, as an example, jive with Capitalistic themed Fascism?Wosbald wrote: 22 Oct 2024, 10:20 +JMJ+
The question is whether the shoe can fit MAGA (not because MAGA is Communistically-themed Fascism but is, rather, Capitalistically-themed Fascism), and not whether the shoe can also fit — or be shoehorned onto — other feet.
Or the 1st Amendment?
I think if anything, Capitalistic-themed Fascism is far more prominent when it comes to developed countries attitudes toward developing countries.
Where is the National Pride of the Lebanese who allow Iranian proxies to use their nation as a base to attack Israel? Or the National Pride of the Nicaraguans who remain under the heels of Daniel Ortega and his thugs? fOr the National Pride of Mexico where the economy is held hostage by the cartels? Or North Korea? Do the people of Lebanon or Nicaragua or Mexico or North Korea receive any support from the US or Europe to take back the liberties which are rightfully theirs?
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Can you offer a short, pithy definition of "fascism as you mean it?Wosbald wrote: 22 Oct 2024, 10:20 +JMJ+
The question is whether the shoe can fit MAGA (not because MAGA is Communistically-themed Fascism but is, rather, Capitalistically-themed Fascism), and not whether the shoe can also fit — or be shoehorned onto — other feet.
Because MAGA is a populist reaction against the fascism of the Democrats, as we see it.
And I don't want to discount what you are trying to say, but I can't understand you.
Apart from the leftwing media talking point that Donald Trump is literally Hitler or whatever, what is it about MAGA that makes you even think of fascism?
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MAGA folks do not get where this claim of "fascism" comes from. We want our government to secure our prosperity: Good schools, good and plentiful jobs, affordable energy and low cost of living, secure borders, safe neighborhoods for our children. And world peace, as much as we can.
That's it. That's all we want. We want less government intrusion, less control over our lives, less interference in how we raise our kids, less constriction of our speech and our faith, less taxes, less, less, less.
Is it abortion? Many MAGA Americans want to reduce the number of children murdered in their mother's wombs, so they call us "fascists"?