I did not think that Francis would take yet another step ushering the Church into schism. STAHP!Wosbald wrote: 22 Jun 2024, 13:32 +JMJ+
Abp. Viganò said, among other things, that he rejects "the Bergoglian [i.e. the Pope Franciscan] Church".Hovannes wrote: 22 Jun 2024, 13:13 Interesting, but....
catholicnewsagency DOT com/news/258054/former-us-nuncio-vigano-to-undergo-church-trial-for-schism-rejecting-pope-francis
Just like the Strickland Affair, file the Viganò Affair under "What Did You Think Was Going To Happen?"
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The season for schism?
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/sp ... 1ca&ei=136
I'm having a hard time wrapping my brain around the idea of Poor Claires in schism.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/sp ... 1ca&ei=136
I'm having a hard time wrapping my brain around the idea of Poor Claires in schism.
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Meanwhile, the Jesuits remain unsuppressed.Hovannes wrote: 23 Jun 2024, 10:21 The season for schism?
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/sp ... 1ca&ei=136
I'm having a hard time wrapping my brain around the idea of Poor Claires in schism.
I don't know any of the details or personalities involved. Apparently the Sisters have aligned themselves with a priest who was excommunicated for preaching sedevacantism and claiming that Francis is not the real pope.
But there is a tell in the article.... The Telegraph says that the offending priest "is a follower of the ultra-conservative Opus Dei Catholic organization."
There is nothing particularly liberal or conservative about Opus Dei. They are faithful, devout Catholics with zeal for evangelization. It looks like The Telegraph means to paint thousands of faithful Catholics world-wide as crazy guys (just as Biden's DHS paints religious Americans and military vets - and Trump supporters - as likely "extremists and terrorists").
This slanted reporting tells me that important parts of the story have been left out. I don't know enough to form an opinion.
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The Viganò Affair
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Title: Archbishop Viganò: I accuse Bergoglio of heresy and schism [Screed]
Source: LifeSiteNews
Link: lifesitenews DOT com/opinion/archbishop-vigano-i-accuse-bergoglio-of-heresy-and-schism
The Money-Quotes:

∗∗∗Wosbald wrote: 22 Jun 2024, 13:32Abp. Viganò said, among other things, that he rejects "the Bergoglian [i.e. the Pope Franciscan] Church".Hovannes wrote: 22 Jun 2024, 13:13 Interesting, but....
catholicnewsagency DOT com/news/258054/former-us-nuncio-vigano-to-undergo-church-trial-for-schism-rejecting-pope-francis
Just like the Strickland Affair, file the Viganò Affair under "What Did You Think Was Going To Happen?"
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Title: Archbishop Viganò: I accuse Bergoglio of heresy and schism [Screed]
Source: LifeSiteNews
Link: lifesitenews DOT com/opinion/archbishop-vigano-i-accuse-bergoglio-of-heresy-and-schism
The Money-Quotes:
"In for a penny, in for a pound," I s'pose.Before my brothers in the episcopate and the entire ecclesial body, I accuse Jorge Mario Bergoglio of heresy and schism, and I ask that he be judged as a heretic and schismatic and removed from the throne which he has unworthily occupied for over 11 years.
[…]
I consider it an honor to be “accused” of rejecting the errors and deviations implied by the so-called Second Vatican Ecumenical Council, which I consider to be completely devoid of magisterial authority due to its heterogeneity compared to all the true councils of the Church …


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Link: cruxnow DOT com/church-in-africa/2024/06/south-africa-archbishop-says-being-stateless-means-living-without-rights
South Africa archbishop says being stateless means living without rights]
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YAOUNDÉ, Cameroon — A leading South African archbishop has lined up a broad range of disadvantages that stateless people face.
According to the United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees (UNHCR), stateless people are people not recognized as citizens by any country under the operations of its laws. Across the globe, they are estimated at 4.4 million stateless people, although actual numbers can be much higher.
Speaking during a June 13 conference on statelessness in Johannesburg, Archbishop Buti Tlhagale described it as “a restrictive and deterring condition that denies individuals’ political, civil, socio and economic rights and consequently their dignity as human beings.”
The UNHCR says statelessness can result from a broad range of issues, including discriminatory citizenship laws, the emergence of new states and changes in borders, loss or deprivation of nationality, conflict or gaps in nationality laws, as well as a lack of documents proving birth, which in itself does not necessarily mean a person is stateless but birth registration is important evidence of a person’s parentage and place of birth. Without it, the risk of statelessness increases because a person may find it difficult to prove their link to a state.
Tlhagale spoke to this last point, indicating that children without birth certificates “undergo a lifetime experience of suffering discrimination, denied access to among others, health services, education and fulfilment of their ambitions or dreams.”
“I don’t think we normally understand the pain and the frustration of a young person who suddenly sees that he has no future. He can’t go anywhere, because there is no document. That is the impact of being stateless,” he told Vatican News.
The archbishop said this is of particular concern to the Southern Africa Development Community, SADC, where UNICEF figures indicate that 14 million children under five are not registered, and 19 million do not have birth certificates.
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So important is the issue of fighting statelessness that it’s found traction in various international bodies, including the United Nations[, he said].
In 2014, the UNHCR launched what it called the #IBelong Campaign that aims to end statelessness within ten years, by identifying and protecting stateless people, resolving existing situations of statelessness and preventing the emergence of new cases.
Tlhagale described the campaign as “a noble initiative aimed at raising awareness about the negative impact of statelessness on children and to stop generational perpetuation of statelessness.”
With the #IBelong Campaign running out this year, the UNHCR will in October launch the Global Alliance to End Statelessness, which is a new initiative that by 2030 seeks to accelerate solutions to end statelessness by 2030 through a collective multi-stakeholder approach, which integrates the experience of those who are stateless and formerly stateless.
It was in the buildup to that launch that the Johannesburg meeting was held.
“We have an urgent task of encouraging our governments to adopt the practice of issuing birth certificates immediately after birth registration, a good and standard practice in the region,” the archbishop said.
“The importance of birth registration cannot be overemphasized,” Tlhagale said, “because, as UNICEF explains, is a permanent and official record of a child’s existence, and provides legal recognition of that child’s identity…. It establishes a legal record of where the child was born and who his or her parents are. Birth registration is required for a child to get a birth certificate — his or her first legal proof of identity.”
He complained that the Southern African region was already lagging behind in the struggle against statelessness across Africa and noted that “others have been at it for some time.”
He said the Economic Community of West African States (ECOWAS) has led the way in efforts to end statelessness in Africa.
In February 2015, ECOWAS Members states adopted the Abidjan Declaration on the Eradication of Statelessness. They then proceeded to adopt the “Banjul Plan of Action of the Economic Community of West African States on the Eradication of Statelessness 2017–2024.”
The plan highlights birth registration to prevent statelessness as one of its main objectives.
Tlhagale said that at the level of SADC region, leaders “have also signaled a political commitment to address statelessness in the region through the adoption of the SADC Road Map on the Eradication of Statelessness.”
He told participants at the Jamesburg meeting that it was critical to “mobilize religious leaders and organizations, and other stakeholders, in the global strategic objective to accelerate efforts towards the eradication of statelessness.”
“A shared and collective responsibility amongst not only states but various stakeholders, religious, civil society, and stateless people themselves will in my view, mitigate the challenge of statelessness in our SADC region,” the archbishop said.


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The Viganò Affair
May we at least give him credit for intellectual honesty? He is many things, but "conscious liar' is not among tbem.Wosbald wrote: 01 Jul 2024, 11:14 +JMJ+
∗∗∗Wosbald wrote: 22 Jun 2024, 13:32Abp. Viganò said, among other things, that he rejects "the Bergoglian [i.e. the Pope Franciscan] Church".Hovannes wrote: 22 Jun 2024, 13:13 Interesting, but....
catholicnewsagency DOT com/news/258054/former-us-nuncio-vigano-to-undergo-church-trial-for-schism-rejecting-pope-francis
Just like the Strickland Affair, file the Viganò Affair under "What Did You Think Was Going To Happen?"
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Title: Archbishop Viganò: I accuse Bergoglio of heresy and schism [Screed]
Source: LifeSiteNews
Link: lifesitenews DOT com/opinion/archbishop-vigano-i-accuse-bergoglio-of-heresy-and-schism
The Money-Quotes:
"In for a penny, in for a pound," I s'pose.Before my brothers in the episcopate and the entire ecclesial body, I accuse Jorge Mario Bergoglio of heresy and schism, and I ask that he be judged as a heretic and schismatic and removed from the throne which he has unworthily occupied for over 11 years.
[…]
I consider it an honor to be “accused” of rejecting the errors and deviations implied by the so-called Second Vatican Ecumenical Council, which I consider to be completely devoid of magisterial authority due to its heterogeneity compared to all the true councils of the Church …
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Oh boy…
Mel Gibson says the Pope and the Vatican are Surrounded by Child Molesters — He Believes the Catholic Church is Now a Counterfeit Paralle Church that runs an Entirely Different Religion
• On current Pope Francis, Mel believes he’s covering up or involved in pedophilia now.
• The Church was instituted by Christ, he says, but it’s not what it purports to be anymore.
—— he believes what Carlo Maria Viganò believes… we are witnessing a counterfeit parallel church, which is running an entirely different [evil] religion.
Clip
https://rumble.com/v67mdl7-oh-boy-mel-g ... d-mol.html
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full show here
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=1rYtrS5IbrQ
Oh boy…
Mel Gibson says the Pope and the Vatican are Surrounded by Child Molesters — He Believes the Catholic Church is Now a Counterfeit Paralle Church that runs an Entirely Different Religion
• On current Pope Francis, Mel believes he’s covering up or involved in pedophilia now.
• The Church was instituted by Christ, he says, but it’s not what it purports to be anymore.
—— he believes what Carlo Maria Viganò believes… we are witnessing a counterfeit parallel church, which is running an entirely different [evil] religion.
Clip
https://rumble.com/v67mdl7-oh-boy-mel-g ... d-mol.html
@joerogan
full show here
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=1rYtrS5IbrQ
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