Liberal (or Western) Democracy Under Pressure

[SlowToke]

+JMJ+

… Criminals who illegally enter our country (and by criminals I mean anyone who breaks the law including illegally crossing our border) are absolutely not entitled to due process. We owe them nothing. …

This, here, is the nub of the problem. It's also a Crime Against Humanity.

All without exception have a minimal standing in our legal system. All without exception are owed Due Process. That's why it's called "Due". Due=Owed.

I dunno what to say beyond this point, other than, at the very least, we whittled it down to the basic disagreement. Thank you for participating in the convo. However, I can't say I'm particularly surprised at the result. After all, I've been hammering on the Due Process issue for 10 years now.

And so, I s'pose we're back to where we were at the start of this convo, viz., the ball is — or is gonna be — in SCOTUS' court. Crossing fingers.

Fair enough. Thanks for the civil discourse.

[Wosbald]

+JMJ+

… Criminals who illegally enter our country (and by criminals I mean anyone who breaks the law including illegally crossing our border) are absolutely not entitled to due process. We owe them nothing. …

This, here, is the nub of the problem. It's also a Crime Against Humanity.

All without exception have a minimal standing in our legal system. All without exception are owed Due Process. That's why it's called "Due". Due=Owed.

I dunno what to say beyond this point, other than, at the very least, we whittled it down to the basic disagreement. Thank you for participating in the convo. However, I can't say I'm particularly surprised at the result. After all, I've been hammering on the Due Process issue for 10 years now.

And so, I s'pose we're back to where we were at the start of this convo, viz., the ball is — or is gonna be — in SCOTUS' court. Crossing fingers.

Fair enough. Thanks for the civil discourse.

[Del]

+JMJ+

… Criminals who illegally enter our country (and by criminals I mean anyone who breaks the law including illegally crossing our border) are absolutely not entitled to due process. We owe them nothing. …

This, here, is the nub of the problem. It's also a Crime Against Humanity.

All without exception have a minimal standing in our legal system. All without exception are owed Due Process. That's why it's called "Due". Due=Owed.

I dunno what to say beyond this point, other than, at the very least, we whittled it down to the basic disagreement. Thank you for participating in the convo. However, I can't say I'm particularly surprised at the result. After all, I've been hammering on the Due Process issue for 10 years now.

And so, I s'pose we're back to where we were at the start of this convo, viz., the ball is — or is gonna be — in SCOTUS' court. Crossing fingers.

You've been hammering on "Due Process" for a decade, and it's still just noise. Can you be specific at all? Can we move beyond "civil discourse" and into the realm of "Useful Discourse"?

What is happening currently that is not Due Process?

What needs to change in order to provide Due Process?

[Del]

Meh.... This isn't worth it.

When our governing betters are doing injustice, we know it.
Open borders,
public school groomers,
pandemic lockdowns and mask mandates,
law fare persecution of conservative persons and candidates,
Pardons galore for cronies and more....

If the deportations are conducted unjustly, Trump's conservative supporters will not stand for it. We've had enough.
We voted Trump in order to end the injustice and corruption.

[Wosbald]

+JMJ+

Title: Hundreds join El Paso bishop’s protest against migrant mass deportation, asylum bans
Source: America
Link: americamagazine DOT org/faith/2025/03/25/hundreds-join-bishop-seitz-protest-deportation-asylum-ban-250228

The Money-Quotes:

The El Paso rally, march and vigil — organized by Bishop Seitz in partnership with Hope Border Institute, an El Paso-based immigrant advocacy nonprofit — took place on the feast of St. Óscar Romero, the martyred archbishop of San Salvador known for his fierce defense of human rights and the marginalized in El Salvador.

The rally’s timing was “no accident,” especially as such rights have become increasingly endangered amid an “attack on immigrants today,” Bishop Seitz said in his address at the vigil.

The denial of asylum and the threat of mass deportations represent “a fundamental attack on the human community” and on “Jesus’ vision of a fully reconciled humanity,” he said. “Mass deportations are another tool to keep people afraid, to keep a people divided, to extinguish the charity and love that keep a people alive.”

[…]

“Migration is connected with the fate of our country,” he said. “Our relationship to this issue as El Paso and as the United States reveals what we truly value, what we truly honor. Hopefully, we put our faith not in money and power and rivalry and dominance and empire. This would be idolatry of the worst sort.”

At the border, “we see that (in) this war on the poor, everything is disposable — land, water, environment, our health, women … marriages, the unborn, the poor, human rights,” said Bishop Seitz.

[…]

"And to those in a position of responsibility for our country who steward the common good, I make this urgent plea," he said before raising his voice. "Stop the asylum ban. Stop the deportations."

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Especially notable here is how Bp. Seitz ties the loss of Due Process for Illegals to a war against Humanity in general ("a fundamental attack on the human community").

IOW, he's talking about Crimes Against Humanity.

[Del]

+JMJ+

The denial of asylum and the threat of mass deportations represent “a fundamental attack on the human community” and on “Jesus’ vision of a fully reconciled humanity,” he said. “Mass deportations are another tool to keep people afraid, to keep a people divided, to extinguish the charity and love that keep a people alive."

I can understand Bishop Seitz: He wants mercy, even if we must relinquish justice (as mercy often does).

He wants an end to deportations, with mass amnesty, and an open border for asylum seekers.

He is clear on the policies that he wants.... Americans discussed these at length before the elections.

At least he doesn't blather on about "Due Process" like a Jesuit while failing to explain what he means for us to do.
(I'm fairly convinced that your Jesuits also want mercy without justice -- amnesty without due judicial process -- but they don't have Bishop Seitz's courage to admit it.)

[Del]

Sen. Cory Booker (D-NJ) just set a record for the longest-ever US Senate floor speech.
For no reason, as far as anyone can tell.

From the latest episode of Gilbert Magazine --

Some people don’t have much to say, but you have to listen a long time to find out. -- (UNKNOWN BUT WELL KNOWN)

[Del]

[Del]

Listening to Andrew Klavan on Daily Wire (weekly show on Friday night).

Topic this week is the failure of the lying media.
To be fair, Biden or Trump -- whoever is POTUS -- is the most powerful political person on Earth. We deserve to have an honest press that questions their decisions and actions. A lying press is unable to do this work, because we don't trust anything that they say.... even when they may happen to be reporting the truth in some instances.

Klavan asks "Why is there no ongoing investigative reporting on the question of 'Why did the Biden Administration allow millions of migrants to walk across our border?'"

I want to know this too.